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posted by [personal profile] revdorothyl at 10:49am on 13/03/2009
A co-worker forwarded me the link to this announcement of a 'symposium' on UFO's and Milton (er, I mean, aliens and some very peculiar 'Christian' interpretations of the Bible):

The "very first" Christian symposium on aliens will touch down in, where else? Roswell, N.M. this July.

Guy Malone, author and co-founder of Alien Resistance, is organizing the event, where he will make the case that aliens and UFO's are actually fallen demons.

Malone's Alien Resistance organization is devoted to looking at UFO's and alien abductions in "biblical" ways.


Since many of the students in my 8-week intensive introductory course on the Hebrew Bible this semester were repeatedly frustrated and puzzled by my inability to direct them to the canonical Old Testament passages that tell about the Fall of Satan and his rebel angels after their rebellion against God, or the verses describing in detail the devil's musical talents, etc. (I tried telling them that much of what they thought was biblical lore was actually derived from an odd mixture of Milton, Dante, and made-for-cable miniseries about 'nephilim' and fallen angels), and since all of those same students have yet to turn in their take-home final exams, I shudder to think what some of them might do with the links provided by this particular 'Alien Resistance' group.

I'm still having post-traumatic flashbacks to reading (more accurately, trying to decipher) a student's 10-page paper some three years ago, summarizing (but not in any sense critiquing or even bothering to look up the bible references in) a 1970's mass-market paperback, interpreting the first few chapters of Ezekiel as an encounter with alien hardware (I think it was The Spaceships of Ezekiel by Josef Blumrich, but I've tried to repress all memory of the event, so don't quote me). I can just be thankful, I guess, that their term papers have all been turned in already.

All of this is not to say that I find anything inherently objectionable or ridiculous about mixing biblical scholarship and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, or that I'm not fascinated by the use of "Nephilim" as an ever more popular mcguffin in science fiction and fantasy media.

However, the 'biblical' interpretations featured prominently on the 'Alien Resistance' web-page are, for the most part, so dubious (primarily based on deuterocanonical or 'apocryphal' writings, and then reading those INTO the margins of the canonical texts -- like fanfic masquerading as original source material) that I wouldn't want my students to go anywhere near anyone associated with this group . . . unless I could count on them to be doing it in the spirit of sheer entertainment, and not to assume that this is the cutting edge of current biblical scholarship. Which (judging from the lack of critical thinking in almost every paper I've received from them over the past 7 weeks) is something I dare not count on.

Somehow, all of this mixing of popular archaeology, E.T.'s, and 'religion' was so much more entertaining on Stargate: SG1. *sigh*

Oh, well. At least this will give us something interesting to talk about over the coffee breaks at work, here at the publishing house today!
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posted by [identity profile] appomattoxco.livejournal.com at 05:03pm on 13/03/2009
It would be funny if I didn't know that there are more than a few people out there and I do mean "out there" who will take this seriously.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 05:12pm on 13/03/2009
Exactly my feeling!

And I adore your icon -- too perfect!
 
posted by [identity profile] willowgreen.livejournal.com at 07:20pm on 13/03/2009
Yikes. Your students sound a little scary, and not in a fun way.

What the heck are "nephilim"?

Also, I love your Amanda Tapping icon! Did you get to see any of "Sanctuary"? My spouse & I really enjoyed it. The writing was so-so and the plots were frequently downright dumb, but the cast had a really fun SG:1 vibe. And talk about pretty! I heard somewhere that all of the sets are CGI. Working on that show must be like doing a minimalist production of "You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown," and then turning around and seeing that Charles Schultz has dropped in to paint your backdrops.
 
posted by [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com at 07:38pm on 13/03/2009
The nephilim are the offspring of "the sons of God and the daughters of men," in Genesis.

Some people read it as saying the angels (referred to in Job as sons of God) fell for human women. However, this contradicts Jesus teaching that angels neither marry nor are given in marriage (that is, they're sexless)

I read it as the children of Seth marrying the the children of the local tribes. (I don't believe Eden was an exclusive creation. El was messing around with a no-girls allowed garden while the Persians were discovering glue)
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 08:44pm on 13/03/2009
However, this contradicts Jesus teaching that angels neither marry nor are given in marriage (that is, they're sexless)

I wish I'd thought of using Jesus' words in Matthew 22:30 [closely following the earlier version in Mark 12:25] to counter that particular interpretation: "'For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.'"

Good one!

(Though the version of that conversation in Luke 20:35-36 implies that, in the resurrection, people are like angels in that they can't die anymore, rather than in their lack of marriage, which -- if my students were careful enough to check for Synoptic parallels, which they're generally NOT -- might open the argument back up again, I suppose.)
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 08:23pm on 13/03/2009
Genesis 6:4 (NRSV): "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days---and also afterward---when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown."

However, what most folks think of when they hear 'Nephilim' is more from the apocryphal book of First Enoch (a.k.a. Ethiopic Enoch), and/or from a series of novels and television movies and miniseries featuring the children of humans and (usually fallen) angels as super-powered heroes or monsters (if not giant cannibalistic mummies, in the case of the sci-fi channel!).

Here's an excerpt from an article by Kelley Coblentz Bautch on "ENOCH, FIRST BOOK OF" for volume 2 of the New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (emphasis added):

...Although not the earliest composition in the extant collection, the Book of the Watchers (1 Enoch 1-36) is the first to be featured in 1 Enoch. The booklet, made up of distinct literary units, is thought to have taken its current form by the third century BCE. Chapters 1-5 approximate a prophetic oracle and contrast the orderliness of nature with the disobedience of sinners (2:1-5:4). Chapters 6-16 concern the relations of angels and mortal women, an association which has disastrous consequences. The union leads to offspring, bloodthirsty giants who consume all manner of living beings, including humans (1 En. 7:2-5). The angels also impart illicit teaching that leads to promiscuity and further violence (1 En. 7:1; 8:1-4). The archangels intervene and enlist Enoch as an intermediary to the rebellious angels (1 En. 12:3-13:2). After an ascent to the heavenly temple and prophetic commissioning, Enoch learns first hand the Divine’s response to the situation (1 Enoch 14:8-16:4); the patriarch then returns to earth and delivers the message of condemnation to the fallen angels (1 En. 13:9-14:7)....


And yes, I saw every episode of "Sanctuary" and got a kick out of the casting and characters, even though the plots were -- as you noted -- frequently downright dumb.

I LOVED, however, the two-part season finale, with Peter Wingfield (Methos! from the "Highlander" series, about whom I have happy-naughty thoughts frequently) as James Watts, the last member of their little super-powered group. I nearly wept when he died at the end, and I adored his bonding with Magnus' right-hand profiler guy (whose character's name escapes my aged brain, for the moment).
 
posted by [identity profile] keswindhover.livejournal.com at 08:17am on 14/03/2009
Oddly enough I came across this notion of the Nephilim very recently in one of those 'Supernatural Single Girl in the City' type books:

http://www.amazon.com/Succubus-Blues-Georgina-Kincaid-Book/dp/0758216416

It's written in a rather engaging style, though the nephilim-related plot is a bit clunky, and just goes to show that reading trash can be educational, since my acquaintanceship with the book of Enoch is zero.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 09:34pm on 16/03/2009
That actually looks quite intriguing! Thanks for the link.
 
posted by [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com at 09:36pm on 15/03/2009
Oh my! It's amazing how much people 'think' they know what the Bible says on any given topic. Just as a for instance, I've been studying Acts recently and remebering the many accusations of Paul as a mysoginist. Whoever claims that obviously hasn't read the multitudes of accounts of women starting churches, being the movers and shakers of the movement and Paul's close relationship and admiration for many of them.

At the same time, all of this is vastly entertaining. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 11:21pm on 15/03/2009
Indeed! Even if the author of Luke and Acts shaded his account of Paul's message and missionary journey to reflect his (presumably 'his') own priorities, Paul's own undisputed writings give ample evidence that he was accustomed to working side by side with the women specifically mentioned in Acts (e.g. Lydia, whose conversion is recounted in Acts 16 and whom Paul greets in his letter to the Philippians as being the host/founder of that church) and many others. 'Misogyny' was (from the preponderance of the evidence) a 2nd century C.E. development in the church, as it tried to fit in better with the dominant Greco-Roman culture, which mostly disapproved of women getting involved in public life.
 
posted by [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com at 12:56pm on 16/03/2009
And I am now supremely embarrassed that I misspelled misogyny. I knew I should have looked it up. :)

Context is everything. Even if people read the actual texts, sometimes they see whatever confirms their own mindset rather than what is there.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 09:36pm on 16/03/2009
Too true! (and I didn't even notice the spelling -- I just put 'misogyny' in quotes to indicate that people's definition of it tends to vary, and that people dispute how much misogyny there is even in the apparently later additions to the NT).

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