posted by [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com at 07:07pm on 13/04/2010
Interesting idea about Dukat and Damar. I consider that while Dukat really cared about his daughter, and probably about select Bajorans like her mother, it never really made the leap past that small circle. And he was far too invested in his own needs and power to ever be redeemed. Everything was based on outside influences. Once his daughter was dead look at how very fall he fell.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 07:49pm on 13/04/2010
he was far too invested in his own needs and power to ever be redeemed. Everything was based on outside influences.

Probably so. Dukat wanted to be loved (and his daughter DID love him, which may've been a major factor in his decision not to kill her, in addition to the fact that Kira was watching and might feel honor bound to kill him in turn), but he didn't want to have to put himself out at all in order to gain that love, so there was a focus on the surface of things.

Damar, meanwhile, starts out as Dukat's loyal shadow, and then reluctantly fills his shoes after Zial's death (at his hands) sends Dukat off the deep end. Perhaps his ability to feel guilt over that (over what it did to Dukat, rather than over Zial's death) laid the groundwork for him to eventually 'get it' when Kira points out that the grief and outrage he feels over the Dominion killing HIS family is no different than what too many Bajorans had experienced at the Cardassians' hands. Damar learns, eventually, to empathize with someone outside his own circle and species.
 
posted by [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com at 04:00am on 14/04/2010
In addition, Damar cares about Cardassia. what he does, he does for the good of his people, even when he's wrong. that's a better standpoint to struggle for redemption from. In my humble opinion.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 02:58pm on 14/04/2010
I agree -- no matter his rhetoric, Dukat's always and ultimately all about himself. Damar thinks Dukat's got the best interests of Cardassia in mind, but becomes disillusioned in season 7 (which may be a key point in Damar's own transformation, opening his eyes to things and possibilities previously outside his narrow world).

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