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I just added this section as a revision to yesterday's review of "The Golden Compass", with what I hope were strong enough spoiler warnings, but since it's essentially a new discussion, I figured it probably ought to have its own post.

While I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and highly recommend it to all my friends, there were still a few minor points that touched on some of my 'issues' about the role of parents in fantasy, so . . . here they are:

Much as I enjoyed the film, part of me can't help but wonder about the Freudian implications of the apparent bad-mother/good-father dichotomy set up at the end, especially in a fantasy universe written by a man but centered around a pre-adolescent female protagonist.

I love C.S. Lewis dearly, in many respects, but even as a young and naive college student (the age at which I read his children's novels, finally) I couldn't help but notice that in "The Chronicles of Narnia" grown-up females tended to be either absent or dying mothers OR evil witches -- I can recall very few examples of post-adolescent females being good, strong, and present and active in the story.

Now, in the first film adaptation based on "The Golden Compass" series, I really had to wonder about the fact that Lyra's major adult female influences were, on the one hand, an apparently severely disturbed mother (who beats up on her own soul/daemon when it gets in her way) eagerly working in the service of evil authorities, and on the other hand a free-spirited good witch who might lend bit of aid when absolutely needed but isn't overly eager to display any maternal instincts towards the kid.

Billy's Gyptian mum, though a strong and caring and admirable woman, seemed to be fairly peripheral, as far as Lyra personally was concerned (as, indeed, any friend's mother naturally tends to be, when you're that age -- she's not a person, after all, but rather your friend's mom and why should you think any more about her than that, most of the time?.

Meanwhile, we've got Lyra's biological father calling himself her 'uncle' and apparently not really willing (or maybe even able) to form a closer emotional bond, but relying on a bunch of college professors to stand in loco parentis for Lyra. As far as real emotional bonding between Lyra and adult males, the closest we get is the friendship she enjoys with Iorick the ice bear (who is NOT a tame teddy bear, but does seem to make an awfully good pillow at times, and is sworn to her service, so the balance of power there diverges markedly from the fatherly or even big brotherly model).

I really don't know what to make of it all, or even if it should mean anything, but considering all my own family issues and questions about parental role models, I can't help but notice and wonder . . . a little.
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posted by [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com at 04:17am on 20/12/2007
I know nothing about Pullman so can't speculate on his influences but I know a great deal about Lewis. Given that he lost his mother when he was still fairly young and lived as a bachelor (to a profound degree I understand, no woman would dare enter the home shared by he and his brother, it was apparently quite awful) most of his adult life, I think the lack in Narnia is simple lack of exposure and being uncertain how to write such a character. After he met Joy, the love of his life, he wrote my favorite novel, Till We Have Faces, which has an adult woman (actually, she grows from a young girl to an old woman over the course of the book) as it's central character. He finally had a model. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 08:38pm on 24/12/2007
Yes, I did feel that the Narnia books might've had more positive and present models of grown women if they'd been at least partly written post-Joy, rather than pre-Joy (I love both versions of "Shadowlands", the fictionalized account of C.S. Lewis and Joy Gresham's relationship -- the more complex T.V. version with Joss Ackland as Lewis, as well as the somewhat streamlined and possibly more pointed film version with Anthony Hopkins).

Thanks for helping me to sort through these thoughts!
 
posted by [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com at 04:27am on 25/12/2007
I never know how much of a Lewis afficinado I'm speaking to when I make an observation. :) I do think the Narnia books would have been very different if written during his time with Joy.
 
posted by [identity profile] appomattoxco.livejournal.com at 05:17am on 20/12/2007
A lot of authors start with the premise "What's the worst thing that can happen?" I think so many children's stories start out with dead/evil mother's because even today, for a lot of people mother = primary care giver. A child may adore dad, they might even like their father more than their mother, but it's mom that inspires panic when they are separated. It's hardwired into all mammals that losing mom or not having a mother's love is the worst thing ever.

 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 08:26pm on 24/12/2007
Excellent point! Thanks for boiling it down to what's really important and affecting about this absent or evil mother aspect in fantasy and mythology.
 
posted by [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com at 12:52am on 21/12/2007
Have you read the novels? Because the characters are more fleshed out in them and there is a great deal missing from the film - the book was 300 pages while the film is two hours. Also it was a very dense book - much more so than the CS Lewis Narnia series.

Mrs. Coulter changes a bit in the next two books and is redeemed. Lord Asrial becomes darker and in some respects nastier. (The film didn't show the dark twist at the end of the novel - where Asrial betrays his daughter's trust.)

From what I've read of Pullman's interviews - I got the feeling that he felt the adult world had a tendency to "romanticize" childhood. To idealize children. And had a desire to preserve childhood - unwillingly to allow people to grow up. His biggest issue with Lewis (His Dark Materials is in some respects Pullman's response to the Narnia books and Lewis's writings) - was that Lewis wanted to keep children children forever. That the child was innocent and it was better to be a child than an adult. To be submissive and humble. Pullman felt that childhood is just a stage - and the point is to become an adult. To learn. To know good and evil. To have free will - to not stay forever in the preadolescent garden of eden. (This was my reading of Pullman's take on it. It's subtler in The Golden Compass - but really obvious in the last volume of the triology - The Amber Spyglass.)
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 08:34pm on 24/12/2007
Thanks so much for clarifying about the books vs. what's on the movie screen (not having read the books yet is a real handicap, I'm coming to realize)!

I find it fascinating that Pullman was in some sense reacting against Lewis' fantasy novels. I have to say that I am in complete sympathy with the idea that the essence of childhood is growing up. It's the constant changing, learning, and growing that makes it so full of wonder, rather than anything static or frozen in ignorance.

I'm reminded of a line from Dorothy L. Sayers (I think it was), arguing that when the Christian scriptures report Jesus saying that you have to enter the Kingdom like a little child, he didn't mean that Christian believers needed to be unquestioning, passive, ignorant, or infantilized. Rather, what is most characteristic about childhood is that eagerness to move forward, to grow up, and to ask as many questions and investigate as much as you possibly can towards that end. Rather than returning to the peace of the womb, the goal is to awaken on your fiftieth birthday with the same eagerness to learn and explore and see what the future holds as you did on your fifth birthday.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 03:07am on 26/12/2007
I'm reminded of a line from Dorothy L. Sayers (I think it was), arguing that when the Christian scriptures report Jesus saying that you have to enter the Kingdom like a little child, he didn't mean that Christian believers needed to be unquestioning, passive, ignorant, or infantilized. Rather, what is most characteristic about childhood is that eagerness to move forward, to grow up, and to ask as many questions and investigate as much as you possibly can towards that end. Rather than returning to the peace of the womb, the goal is to awaken on your fiftieth birthday with the same eagerness to learn and explore and see what the future holds as you did on your fifth birthday.

Yes. In a sermon that the pastor gave at the Midnight Mass I attended last night - he mentioned somewhat the same thing. That we should approach Christmas much as a child does - not with the innocence of a child, but the exuberance, the joy.
 
posted by [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com at 03:08am on 26/12/2007
The above was me. ;-)
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 06:23pm on 26/12/2007
That sounds like a great approach to take to the yearly 'problem' of how to preach an accessible yet not-shallow Christmas message that is still somehow 'fresh' to both regular attendees and once-a-year church-goers, alike!

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