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posted by [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com at 07:41am on 04/10/2003
I'm not sure if I was clear about this in my other reply. When I say discussion of slash, my curiosity is not so much why people find the idea attractive (I'm thinking a lot about what you said about insulting people's sexuality preferences), but rather why people who defend slash on a story/character basis-- like what you said about Angel and Wes. I would find it more likely to believe in S/A than A/W as likely possibilities within the storyline given to us (though this is totally a bad example because I haven't watched near as much AtS as most everyone else in LJ), and that might be a discussion I'd want to have, later when I've seen seasons 1-3 and know what I'm talking about. See the difference I'm getting at, though? Not so much "why do you like the idea of them together", but rather "why do you feel that they are together or will be and that is how we are meant to read it"--- the latter being much more familair to me in the Gundam Wing fandom than in Jossverse. For shows like Buffy and Angel, and books like Harry Potter, I've seen in much of fandom there a well-recognized line between what we'd like to see happen /imagine happening, and what we think the writers are daring enough (or too politically correct) to do with their main characters. When I used to be in GW fandom, that line was non-existant, and debates of slash (called yaoi in anime fandom) were in the most literal sense, not the theoretical sense.
 
posted by [identity profile] sisabet.livejournal.com at 07:51am on 04/10/2003
Go forth and query the masses and yeah - I have nothing to hide in who/what I like. I'm not one with the shy-slash-fangirl.

As far as *why* we believe the couples we believe in - well it is all a matter of subtext and what we believe is actually happening just offscreen, but for whatever reason the writers can't openly acknowledge it.

Remember "The X-files"? Remember after the episode "Pusher" and when Scully approaches Mulder in the hospital the little finger cuddle she gives him? Remember how excited everyone got after that? Remember how there was like a gazillion "They go home and get it on!" fics born immediately after that? It is just like that. Exactly. Mulder and Scully for a few brief glorius years (we won't talk about later) *were* a slash couple.

The M/S finger cuddle was a lot like Wes feeding Angel his blood. Except wait! That was much more intense. Wes slit his arm with a knife and fed himself to Angel. But to the fans it was all the same. We see a connection and we see love and some of us also see Ass-Domination.
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posted by [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com at 08:01am on 04/10/2003
Remember "The X-files"? Remember after the episode "Pusher" and when Scully approaches Mulder in the hospital the little finger cuddle she gives him? Remember how excited everyone got after that? Remember how there was like a gazillion "They go home and get it on!" fics born immediately after that? It is just like that. Exactly. Mulder and Scully for a few brief glorius years (we won't talk about later) *were* a slash couple.

I cry, because I have no idea what you're talking about. I barely remember that episode (guy w/ a tumor doing psychic things to kill people, right?), and when I watched most of my years of the XF, I was not knowledgable about the titles of episodes. I was about 14, and didn't care.

But I can equate to the squeally sentiment. I did a lot of squealing for shippiness, and a lot of inferring and reading between the lines (sometimes I was practically reading between the letters.)

The M/S finger cuddle was a lot like Wes feeding Angel his blood. Except wait! That was much more intense. Wes slit his arm with a knife and fed himself to Angel. But to the fans it was all the same. We see a connection and we see love and some of us also see Ass-Domination.

And what about themes of friendship, idol-worship (probably not the case with W/A), or brotherhood (sister too)? Aren't those strong interpretations too? Or does reading into slash not necessarily contradict all those other themes.

Anyway, those are just general rhetorical thoughts. Like I said, I'm canon-illiterate about this show right now (except for the really big things that I figured out from reading Buffy fic, and watching about 1/3 of the episodes last season), so my arguements are kinda going nowhere.
 
posted by [identity profile] sisabet.livejournal.com at 01:22am on 06/10/2003
And what about themes of friendship, idol-worship (probably not the case with W/A), or brotherhood (sister too)? Aren't those strong interpretations too? Or does reading into slash not necessarily contradict all those other themes.

Oh Idol Worship is absolutely the case with W/A - it was the basis of season one. And while prefering a slash pairing does not require these things to be present in the absolute canon (as in preferring a noncanon, though het pairing) - in order to seduce me they need to be there in an abundance. I will not live and breathe and hurt for a pairing unless I believe there is a deep connection. So it is not all about Wes dominating Angel's ass - although there is fun to be had there as well - but how did they get to the point - where they are now in season 5 and Wes is so obviously dominating his ass - what brought them there.

If you are interested in reading an excellent essay about Wesley, Angel, canon, subtext and stereotypes - please check out this post:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/thebratqueen/195009.html
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posted by [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com at 01:48am on 06/10/2003
Oh Idol Worship is absolutely the case with W/A - it was the basis of season one.

Ah, I was thinking in terms of season 4. I really need these things to start rerunning on FX or something!
 
posted by [identity profile] sisabet.livejournal.com at 03:36am on 06/10/2003
AtS is now in reruns on TNT.
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posted by [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com at 03:44am on 06/10/2003
oh, when did this start?! Damn it, I need to pay more attention, now that I'm going to be an AtS fangirl and all.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 02:56pm on 06/10/2003
TNT started Monday-Friday showings of season 1 of AtS a week ago (Sept. 29), so today at 4 PM Central (5 PM Eastern) they'll be up to episode 1.06. However, at least in my area, the local WB station has just recently started Sunday night (10 PM Central) re-runs of season 1, so you can still catch episode 1.03 ("In the Dark" -- the Spike/Gem of Amara crossover episode) this Sunday, Oct. 12, if you have a WB affiliate.
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posted by [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com at 05:41pm on 06/10/2003
Hm, they're just starting then. Thanks!
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posted by [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com at 08:37am on 04/10/2003
I just put up the question, but I decided not to put up your first response because that was more about "why do you like it" and not "why do you think it is so", which as I said is what my question really was (and which we've talked about some too.) Anyway, thanks.

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