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I just caught up with [livejournal.com profile] missmurchison's answers to the "dork" meme from last night, and I have to confess that

1) I, too, own nearly every book ever written by Georgette Heyer, and would not dream of surrendering any of them -- even the duplicate copies, and even the attempt-at-contract-busting mystery novel Penhallow. For the record, I first discovered Heyer when I found Frederica, Charity Girl, and Why Shoot a Butler? on the bookshelves of an Irish minister's wife in the summer of 1974, and once we moved to rural Wisconsin and I no longer had ready bicycle and pedestrian access to a public library, I began buying my own Heyers and Andre Nortons with baby-sitting money, starting with a 60-cent paperback copy of Sprig Muslin. I'll always love Frederica best, I think, even though I've re-read it so often that I've got it pretty well memorized, but the expectation-busting Cotillion comes in a close second, and who can resist the combo of These Old Shades and Devil's Cub, I ask you?

And as for the parallels between Lois McMaster Bujold's A Civil Campaign and Heyer's regency romances, I too served on the convention panel with LMB and Miss Murchison, and I too can talk about Miles' cousin Ivan or anyone else in the Vorkosigan orbit as though they were members of my own family, and do the same for most of Heyer's heroes and heroines. I wonder which one I should re-read tonight?

2) I do not own a toga, but I do own some medieval garb (some bought from a lovely huckster/tailor named Felix Needleworthy, and some made for me by my mommy), even though I have never belonged to or even attended a gathering of the Society for Creative Anachronism. I just wear it at SF cons, for no particular reason except that as I get older and fatter, the bodice et al is a lot more flattering and comfortable than the glittery, slinky, emerald lame or orange organza "alien floozy" costumes I sewed for myself many years ago.

3) I, too, am seriously tempted to spend the MERE $27 required to pre-order and ship (free) the complete first season of Remington Steele on DVD from amazon.com. I loved all of that series, even the after-thought partial final season that kept Pierce Brosnan from starting as James Bond in "The Living Daylights", but the first season is high on my list of favorites. I thought James Read as Murphy Michaels was almost as adorable as Pierce Brosnan, so the loss of Laura's original office partners/co-workers after that first season hit me hard, initially. Also, Mildred Krebbs just annoyed the hell out of me until the third season or whenever it was that she finally found out that Laura Holt really WAS the boss and the only trained detective on site, and stopped treating Laura like an anti-feminist caricature. After that, Mildred kind of grew on me.

4) I've seen all the Dr. Who episodes starring Tom Baker (numerous times) through Sylvester McCoy (once was enough) and I even kind of enjoyed that lame made-for-TV movie from the late 90's in which Eric Roberts became the Master, though I know others hated it. And yes, I have crocheted MANY colorful 6-foot scarves in my time, for friends and family.

However, what I'd really like to be able to get hold of on DVD is every episode of The Scarecrow and Mrs. King. I thought Bruce Boxleitner was cute as James Arness' nephew on How the West was Won and I watched every episode of the short-lived Indiana Jones rip-off series called Bring 'Em Back Alive because I so enjoyed seeing Bruce in the starring role, but long before he became Captain Sheridan on Babylon 5 and died and rose again (for a while) to save the galaxy, while falling in love with Delenn, I adored watching him playing the brash young secret agent playboy slowly falling for the mature charms of Kate Jackson's Arlington housewife-turned-part-time-spy. I haven't seen any of those episode uncut since they were first broadcast, and it seems like it's been years since they were showing on cable, but it still makes me smile to think about Lee Stetson's working and personal relationship with Amanda King.

5) I haven't had much practice with spreadsheets, but I'm incredibly addicted to buying up back issues of puzzle magazines (only the Logic Problems and Math & Logic Problems are worth the effort, since those are the puzzles I always do first) and keeping a stack of them in "the littlest room in the house." Sum Totals (or whatever Dell is currently calling them) are my absolute favorite, followed by Math Mazes and Trigons and ALL Logic Problems (I make it a point never to use the grid provided, since that just makes it too easy and you run out of puzzles that much faster). I just love figuring out the only possible answer that fits and knowing that I've solved the puzzle -- unlike in my academic life, where questions of human relationships and faith and Biblical interpretation are NEVER answered with one right answer that means you'll never have to think about this problem again.

If anyone needs more than five reasons why I might rightfully be considered a dork, I have at least a dozen more popping into my head right now. But most of those are really embarrassing (unlike the examples above!), so maybe I'll just stop right here.
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posted by [identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com at 01:38am on 07/07/2005
Who can resist the combo of These Old Shades and Devil's Cub, I ask you?

I can. I Love Devil's Cub, but the first one is not for me - too much age difference bores me.

My favorites are Grand Sophy and the Foundling, i think. ;)

 
posted by [identity profile] klytaimnestra.livejournal.com at 08:51am on 07/07/2005
yes, I also love the Grand Sophy and the Foundling. The Foundling a little more. But the Grand Sophy too.

Okay, easier to find one I DON'T love, I didn't think that "Spring Muslin" was as good as the others.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 01:36pm on 07/07/2005
I don't regard Sprig Muslin as one of her strongest efforts, but it was the first Heyer I happened to find on sale at the local mall bookstore, and, come to think of it, I believe it was the first Heyer I read aloud to my family on vacation. I was re-reading Sprig Muslin on a long car trip, and my mother wanted to know what I was giggling at in the backseat. So it was easier just to continue reading aloud, to the delight of my mother (who had a Master's degree in English literature) and the relieved boredom of the rest of the family. We took to passing the book around, taking turns reading aloud, and continued with several other Heyers, as well as Pride and Prejudice and The Vicar of Wakefield and eventually even Shogun (yes, my father insisted it was his turn to choose the book, and that's what he picked).
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 01:29pm on 07/07/2005
Fair enough! Actually, I adore The Grand Sophy too, and I have a fondness for The Foundling as another one of those expectation-subverting examples of Heyer's art.

 
posted by [identity profile] klytaimnestra.livejournal.com at 08:51am on 07/07/2005
Frederica was my best-loved, read five zillion times, still my favourite. Cotillion spectacular too, you never expect her to marry Frederick but he's obviously the right guy. And These Old Shades/Devil's Cub, yow. I grant the age difference but I found it forgivable even though it wasn't really, but it was for THAT PARTICULAR COUPLE. But then Heyer could always persuade me of the rightness of THIS COUPLE. Frederick wouldn't be my ideal guy, but he IS - gosh - that girl's best match.

Another one I totally love is "Black Sheep".
 
Black Sheep, eh? I haven't re-read that one often enough to remember it very well. Perhaps it's time I remedied that!

Being a big, tall girl myself, I also have a soft spot for The Masqueraders -- it would've been nice to meet a "mountain of a man" like Tony.

Also a soft spot for Sylvester (or "The Wicked Uncle") and Arabella, but Frederica seems destined to remain my hands-down favorite.
 
I've been reading these comments and my top four keep shifting every time you or the Rev reminds me of another one! "Cotillion" is a treat, and one of the first "romances" I read where I stepped back from the characters. I think the problem with a lot of that genre is it's intentionally Mary Sueing--and usually way too serious. At 15, it was quite cool to find a book where the author meant us to laugh at the hero and heroine, implying love can be silly and funny and for ordinary people whose parents roll their eyes whenever they enter the room.

What about "The Unknown Ajax," where the hero pretends to be an uneducated dolt?
 
I love the Unknown Ajax! And Sylvester and Arabella are also much-reread.

I liked that the characters were so funny; or the situations, or the conversations. Most romance novels don't have a lot of fun to them.

I take the occasional guilty pleasure in "Regency Buck", but it embarrasses me that I do. It's much more the usual style. Though her brother is a welcome relief. The problem is, I find Lord Rule (Lord "Rule", forsooth) very attractive. But this embarrasses me.
 
Lord Rule was never one of my favorites, but Damerel, the rake in Venetia, was! He's a bit Spike-like, now that I think about it, starting out as a complete nerd and winding up a rake. I can't help being fond of fictional bad boys.
 
I was very fond of Damerel, and I particularly liked Venetia's recognition that yes, Damerel WOULD get over her and go on to strew rose petals for some other girl, and (in fact) she would get over him (never clearly stated, but part of that package, I'd say) - but she didn't want that to happen. If he was going to love someone, why not her? I liked the fact that she was under no illusions that she was The Only Woman He Would Ever Love. Sure she was - as long as she was actually there. So she planned to be there.

However I couldn't help but worry that poor Venetia was going to die of syphilis. There was a reason to avoid rakes.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 10:57pm on 10/07/2005
I haven't re-read Venetia in years, but it was one of my favorites, also -- I remember Venetia kidding her brother over the breakfast table about how understandable Medea's actions had been, and no doubt she'd had ample provocation for killing her brother. And I loved that Venetia was determined that Damerel should strew rose petals for no other woman than herself. I'll have to re-read for the Spike comparison, now.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 10:53pm on 10/07/2005
That's a guilty pleasure of mine, as well, though I'm hard put to justify it. I liked the Beau Brummel aspects of it, and the idea of Judith Taverner setting about so systematically to be a society hit.
 
posted by [identity profile] klytaimnestra.livejournal.com at 01:36am on 11/07/2005
I like Judith Taverner a great deal. I wouldn't like the book without her. The guilty pleasure part is that Lord Rule (forsooth - can't get over the name) is so obviously a paternalistic control freak, and I still find him drop-dead sexy, possibly the sexiest of all Georgette Heyer's men (though the Unknown Ajax gets high marks too). But my attraction to Lord Rule has never abated and I find it very embarrassing. I know this says something deeply shameful about me, but still, I reread the book and imagine the two of them going riding on his estate when they're engaged, and there's a rainstorm and they have to take shelter in a shepherd's hut (or something) and they're soaking wet, and Lord Rule (yeech) builds a fire, and ...

 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 10:44pm on 12/07/2005
. . . Hmmm! I like the direction your imagination is taking.

Yeah, I must admit that there's something dead sexy about the alpha-male/take-charge hero -- as written by Heyer, at least! When I first read Regency Buck in 8th or 9th grade, I remember being strongly attracted by Lord Rule, while feeling guilty about it and resentful at the same time -- ambivalent about that kind of "father-figure" which both attracts and inspires rebellious counter-reaction in me. I want to kiss him and slap him at the same time. Sir Tony in The Masqueraders stirred up some of the same feelings, but since he was written as much more laid-back (most of the time), he had a "safer" feel to him.

However, I recall being most inspired to slap first and think about the possibility of kissing long afterwards by the hero in Faro's Daughter -- I quite see why Deb Grantham wanted so much to smack him down (even if she did find kidnapping and bondage a bit too far for her taste). I think the redeeming quality of a sense of humor in the hero (however ascerbic or dry that wit might be) was mostly lacking in that hero (Max? was that his name?), while usually humor was a prominent feature of the Heyer hero and covered a multitude of paternalistic sins.
 
posted by [identity profile] klytaimnestra.livejournal.com at 07:23pm on 14/07/2005
Who, Max? Well, yes. On the other hand, I rather like that one too because he richly gets his comeuppance, and has physical courage, and is obviously well-endowed a fine figure of a man. :) Also, I agree that he doesn't have as much of a sense of humour as some, but he really is motivated by love for his ward, so we know that he has a capacity for love before we ever meet Deborah.

The Masqueraders - I liked Sir Tony, but there were a couple of references in the book that made me think he was not only tall and broad shouldered, but possibly also rather too well-padded (his sister teases him for eating too much).

I liked the hero of The Toll-Gate and The Unknown Ajax as to the physical type described. Tall, broad-shouldered (okay, so I have a type, so sue me :)), slow-speaking but deceptively quick-witted, slow to move but utterly implacable when roused, knowing their strength to an inch (to quote one of them).

But I thought Sylvester was one of her best heroes - genuinely flawed, like the heroine, and we could only hope that they would manage to pull it off because it really wasn't guaranteed, but I liked both of them very much.
 
posted by [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com at 12:08am on 15/07/2005
As we've been discussing these it occurred to me that my feelings about some of these works (Faro's Daughter, e.g.) and their heroes and heroines may be due to my youth when first I read and re-read them. What seemed too uncomfortable to deal with when I was 16 might be quite riveting to me at 43!

I'll have to re-read these again, before I can honestly say what I currently think about them.

Thanks for giving me the impetus!
 
posted by [identity profile] missmurchison.livejournal.com at 02:56am on 08/07/2005
Hee! If we weren't friends before I read all the things on this list that we have in common, we would be now!

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